경험상 법칙 Rule of Thumb, 실전의 Hands-on
Power Warm-up: Foraging with Grandma: The First Rule of Thumb
Travis asks his grandma how she learned to forage when she was younger. She says they had an old guidebook, but she learned from hands-on experience.
Power Expressions
Kristen: So we’re talking about food today and our topic, our food topic this month is foraging with grandma. So we learned this word forage to forage, right? Which means to go out into the mountain and pick your vegetables.
Cameron: Or greens.
Kristen: Yeah, mushrooms. So, ‘namul’ is a big thing in Korea.
Cameron: Yeah,
Kristen: Do you have a favorite wild vegetable?
Cameron: My favorite wild?
Kristen: And what do we call namul, by the way? Sprout.
Cameron: I don’t know.
Kristen: Foraged vegetable? Foraged vegetable. I’ve seen it like foraged vegetable. Uh huh.
Cameron: Yeah, I guess, I mean, I don’t think there’s one word.
Kristen: And to be honest, these days I feel a lot of the foraged vegetables are actually…
Cameron: I’m sure they farm them now.
Kristen: Yeah, they farm them.
Cameron: Uh, gosh. I mean, I do like some… I don’t know. Do you have one?
Kristen: For me, I would have to say 쑥.
Cameron: 쑥, is suca, I guess, I guess it is.
Kristen: It is. In America, 쑥 is a weed.
Cameron: Yeah, it’s like, yeah, it’s like Mugwort or something.
Kristen: It’s a weed. They get rid of it.
Cameron: Is Minari considered a namul?
Kristen: Minari? yeah. ’cause I’ve seen like wild 미나리, Yeah sure.
Cameron: I do like 미나, some 미나리.
Kristen: Yeah.
Cameron: With some 삼겹살.
Kristen: Sounds good! Good, good.
Cameron: 미나리 with 삼겹살
Kristen: 좋아좋아. Okay, now, the first rule of thumb. So grandma is teaching, right, the grandchild, how to forage for vegetables. The first thing that she wants to teach him or her, the first rule of thumb, what is this?
Cameron: So a rule of thumb is a basic rule, a basic principle or guideline that you follow. It’s not always correct, but it’s usually correct. And you usually get these rules of thumb from experience.
Kristen: Yes, right. Okay. Another expression that we’re going to talk about is rely on something or someone.
Cameron: You’re trusting someone. You’re believing someone to do something for you.
Kristen: Okay, how about hands hyphen on, hands-on?
Cameron: So this is when you’re talking about practical experience. You’re not studying the theory; you’re actually practicing something by doing it.
Kristen: Oh, got it. All right, let’s go ahead and listen to our food dialogue.
Power Dialog
Grandma: The first rule of thumb is if you aren’t 100% sure about something, don’t pick it.
Travis: Didn’t you have any guidebooks to help you when you weren’t sure?
Grandma: We had an old one with drawings instead of photos, but after a while, we learned to rely on our experience and what our parents taught us.
Travis: I think a hands-on approach is best when you have a good teacher.
Grandma: I’m glad you feel that way, because we found our first edible wild plant.
Travis: Oh, cool! What is it?
Kristen: Here we go. Grandma says the first rule of thumb is if you aren’t 100% sure about something, don’t pick it.
Cameron: Yeah.
Kristen: It can be poisonous.
Cameron: That’s so true.
Kristen: Yeah. Okay. So rule of thumb, the first thing you need to know.
Cameron: Yes. So, this rule of thumb, like we talked about, is the first general rule. So, you know how when you measure the length of something, sometimes you don’t have a ruler. So, you use your thumb, right? So, your thumb, in English we say your thumb is about one inch long. So, you can use your thumb to kind of guess the length of something. Right? So that’s kind of where this rule of thumb comes from. It’s something that you follow generally. But it’s not like… Accurate, unexact rule. Here, Grandma though was saying, if you don’t know if something is safe or not, just don’t get it.
Kristen: Yeah.
Cameron: Right? That’s probably the.
Kristen: Yeah, if you’re not sure, don’t do it.
Cameron: Right. I mean, the more exact rule would be pick it, take a picture of it, look on your phone. Like there are applications now that can tell you if it’s poisonous or not. But no, the basic easy rule of thumb is just don’t pick it if you don’t know.
Kristen: That’s right. That’s right. Okay. So rule of thumb is not a hard rule.
Cameron: Yes!
Kristen: It’s not like official, but it is kind of a rule that would be good to keep in mind. Travis says, didn’t you have any guidebooks to help you when you weren’t sure? So, the grandson is saying, how about you, grandma? Did you have something? Like, who told you? And what did Grandma say?
Cameron: We had an old one with drawings instead of photos, but after a while, we learned to rely on our experience and what our parents taught us.
Kristen: Mm.
Cameron: Mmm.
Kristen: So they had a drawing. They didn’t have photos at that time. And you relied on their experience. She relied on her experience. So to rely on someone or something.
Cameron: It means you’re trusting someone to do something for you or you’re believing that what they’re doing is going to benefit you. So here, relying on their experience and their parents means that I can’t do this all myself. So, I’m believing I am trusting and using the information that I’m receiving from my parents.
Kristen: Okay, so, and of course, you can also rely on people because it’s rely on someone. So I know I can always rely on you, Cameron.
Cameron: Oh, for what?
Kristen: To be the best co-host for Power English.
Cameron: Thank you very much.
Kristen: To explain these phrases in detail. Wow.
Cameron: Wow. It’s true. I think we rely on each other. We trust and we support each other throughout the show.
Kristen: That’s it. That’s it. Okay. So to rely on our experience. And then, of course, grandma, she relies on what her parents taught her. Travis says, I think a hands-on approach is best when you have a good teacher. Okay. This is a great expression, hands-on approach. And usually these words all go together.
Cameron: Hands-on is when you are learning something by doing it. You’re not just reading a book. You’re not just studying the theory, but you’re actually trying to do it. And the American education system right now, hands-on is such a big thing. I think in the Korean education system as well. So like when you’re learning math, you’re not just looking at the numbers, but especially for young children, you’re taking out blocks, you’re having them touch the blocks and count them and like seeing how to multiply and divide by having them touch things. That would be a hands-on approach to learning math.
Kristen: Yeah, or even science too. That’s a good one because science you know learning it from the book may not be as effective but when you go out there and experiment.
Cameron: Yeah, you like pick plants or like bugs.
Kristen: Sure.
Cameron: Make a volcano.
Kristen: Exactly.
Cameron: And these are all hands-on science experiments.
Kristen: Now, aside from school, we use this expression a lot with parenting.
Cameron: Hands-on parenting. Yes. What does that mean?
Kristen: Well, this means, well, I should tell you, right, because I’m a parent. This means that instead of hiring a nanny or hiring extra help from outside, you know, you as a parent do the real parenting yourself.
Cameron: Right.
Kristen: You get involved in their activities and you are the center there with your child.
Cameron: Yeah, I don’t know if I could do that.
Kristen: I don’t know if it’s really possible these days. Everybody is working, like Working Mom and Dad! I mean it’s hard. But, maybe when you come home with them, when they’re doing their homework or cooking meals/ they can be hands-on.
Cameron: Or, like, I know, like, yeah, I mean, where I’m from, like, parents would, like, take their children fishing, exactly.
Kristen: That’s right.
Cameron: Family trips together.
Kristen: That’s right. Instead of sending them off to summer camp. Okay. Is best is our power pattern today. So something something is best.
Cameron: Right. So here we’re using this as our power pattern. I think it’s very common for English learners to say is the best.
Kristen: Uh-huh.
Cameron: I think a hands-on approach is the best when you have a good teacher. It’s also possible.
Kristen: Right, and Korean people would think the best. Good.
Cameron: Better. The best
Kristen: Right?
Cameron: But is best feels slightly different. So is the best of course means that, 최고. But is best means it’s preferred. If you have the option, you really want to go this way.
Kristen: So it’s not really saying, 최고야! But it’s more like, this is the best way to do it.
Cameron: Right. So there is like this saying is the best. But sometimes you don’t have to do the best. Right. Sometimes good is OK. But when you say something is best, there is a feeling of no, you kind of need to go and do this. This is the preferred way to do it, if you can.
Kristen: Got it. Okay. So I think a hands-on approach is best when you have a good teacher. So this is the way it should be. What does grandma say?
Cameron: I’m glad you feel that way because we found our first edible wild plant.
Kristen: Okay, good very important word edible EDI BLE not eatable.
Cameron: not eatable. Edible. Edible means able to be eaten. Yes. Edible.
Kristen: That’s right. So some flowers are edible. Yeah. Some mushrooms are not edible. Yeah. Yes, that’s right. Okay, let’s go ahead and listen to that one more time.
Power Dialog
Grandma: The first rule of thumb is if you aren’t 100% sure about something, don’t pick it.
Travis: Didn’t you have any guidebooks to help you when you weren’t sure?
Grandma: We had an old one with drawings instead of photos, but after a while, we learned to rely on our experience and what our parents taught us.
Travis: I think a hands-on approach is best when you have a good teacher.
Grandma: I’m glad you feel that way, because we found our first edible wild plant.
Travis: Oh, cool! What is it?
Power Note
1. Rule of Thumb: 경험에서 오는 법칙
Kristen: It’s time for Power Note. We’re on pages 46 and 47. Rule of thumb. And oftentimes people say the basic rule of thumb. You’ll hear that a lot. And that just means a general principle. It is a rule, not a hard rule, fixed rule, but through experience, it works.
Cameron: Right, so it’s like the basic measurement, you take that and then you look at the situation further ’cause there might be some exceptions. But this is like your first step.
Kristen: That’s right.
1)
A: How long should I let the car warm up before driving it in the winter?
B: A good rule of thumb is when your windshield is defrosted, you’re ready.
So there might be a case where that, you know, you need to wait longer. But generally, if your windshield has no ice on it, then you can go.
Kristen: Yes, yes.
2) A good rule of thumb is to begin planting vegetable seeds in March.
You don’t have to, but it’s a good idea. Right.
Cameron: Well, and depending on the vegetable, some are you need to wait longer and some go earlier. But it’s like the general average here in this case, the general rule of thumb is planting vegetable seeds in March.
Kristen: Okay, speaking of vegetables, and since you have this lovely terrace, what are you planting?
Cameron: Right now, I have cilantro. Ooh!
Kristen: Cilantro.
Cameron: Yeah, I have cilantro, lettuce, basil, and I have rosemary. I have all of them. But the rosemary is the only thing that’s. enough to eat.
Kristen: Can I buy some from you? Can we have a little mini farmer’s market?
Cameron: I’ll give you some for free.
Kristen: This is my cilantro and basil, please. I’m going to put in my order. Cilantro. Oh, and a.
Cameron: I have arugula as well.
Kristen: Arugula’s expensive.
Cameron: That’s why I’m growing it.
Kristen: I want to see how it grows.
Cameron: Very small. Okay. Because I did not plant them in March. I planted too late.
2. Rely on someone: 누군가에게 의존하다
Kristen: Okay. All right, rely on something or someone means to have trust or faith in something or someone.
1)
A: The weather app on my watch says it’s going to be sunny tomorrow.
B: I never rely on the app alone. I check the weather satellite website too.
Kristen: Yeah. So, meaning apps can make mistakes. Oh, yeah. Is not always right. So you don’t rely on app alone.
Cameron: Yeah, don’t completely trust it and just do not trust it and base your actions off of it. Don’t rely on it.
Kristen: Right. And I think with so much information coming at us all the time, it’s never a good idea to rely on one source.
Cameron: Yeah.
Kristen: Because you know now,
Cameron: It’s true. Right. I mean, yeah, I think because I mean, even when I check, I have like two or three different weather apps on my phone. They always say something different.
Kristen: You see, so you’re not relying on one app. Uh-uh. Okay, smart.
2) Before smartphones, we relied on paper maps to find our way around.
Cameron: That is, I mean, I grew up with paper maps. I mean, obviously you did as well. That is insanity to think about now.
Kristen: I know.
Cameron: Can you imagine going to a city that you, I remember one time my family went to Dallas.
Kristen: Yeah.
Cameron: And we just drove the entire, it’s the fourth largest city in America, I think. Fourth or sixth. Just with a paper map.
Kristen: Yeah.
Cameron: And a prayer just like just hoping hoping we get to the right spot.
Kristen: Oh my gosh!
Cameron: You know?
Kristen: You know, I don’t know how I did it.
Cameron: How did we rely on them?
Kristen: We rely on it and I have to say especially like LA, Los Angeles is a huge city.
Cameron: Yeah.
Kristen: And like freeways everywhere. And so, and one interesting thing was my mother was seriously like GPS. She was like a walking GPS. She’s like, oh, take the 90 and get off the 5. Yeah. So, yeah, we had to rely on those things. Right.
Cameron: Goodness. Now we just rely on our phones for everything. Because I can’t even rely on my memory. I can’t remember my address. I can’t remember my phone number. My bank account number.
Kristen: Yeah.
Cameron: I can’t rely on my memory. I have to like take a picture of it.
Kristen: You know what, I had to like, it took us a while to remember my son’s ID number.
Cameron: Oh gosh, yeah. I imagine.
3. hands-on: 실전 경험의, 직접 해보는
Kristen: Alright, hands-on, involving like you are doing something practically, you’re doing it like with your hand.
Cameron: As you’re learning, you’re actually doing it. Okay.
Kristen:
1)
A: Did you go to school to learn to cook?
B: No, I became a chef through hands-on training.
So you just worked in a restaurant and learned how to be a chef.
Kristen: How to be a chef then
2) There’s nothing better for a carpenter than hands-on experience.
Cameron: Yeah, it’s like you’re an intern or you’re doing that type of thing to learn as you do it as you’re learning.
Kristen: Like a carpenter, like, you know, cooking. Those sorts of things I think really do require hands-on experience to become a chef.
Cameron: Or like doctors, they go to school, the medical school, they graduate medical school and then they do their training.
Kristen: Residency.
Cameron: Their residency in the hospital, that’s their hands-on experience.
4. Something is best: –하는 게 좋을 거 같다.
Kristen: Very good. All right. Power pattern, something is best.
Cameron: This is preferred, advisable,
Kristen: Right.
Cameron: Thing you should probably.
Kristen: I strongly do. Strongly recommended.
1) Taking the back roads is best.
2) Exercising in the morning is best. Yeah. The feeling is a little different from the best.
5. Edible: 먹을 수 있는, 식용가능한
Something that is edible is safe to be eaten. Things that are not edible are often indigestible or poisonous. Many fruits are edible, while the leaves of most fruit trees aren’t.
Kristen: That’s right. Okay. Edible is a very important word on page 48. It’s safe to be eaten. Do check out the definition there. And let’s thank our sponsor.
Cameron: Thank you.
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